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GHIN number VS US Handicap
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Hi all,

While I was registering for SCGA tournaments, I was told I must have a GHIN number in order to be eligible.

Obviously, I asked whether having a handicap through a different source would be suitable. It was not.

I don't know if I have to resort to sign up for a GHIN # in addition to US Handicap, which seemed redundant paying twice for the same thing.

Has anyone come across a similar situation, and found the best solution.

Thanks for the feedback,

Daniel K
ArizonaBlue
Professional Champion
 
# 1    4/12/2017 3:33:52 PM   
On the page you sign-on, there is a statement for USHandicap regarding tournaments.

Print out your card and give it to them as proof of the USGA-approved handicap index.

If there is still a problem, contact the USGA and tell them of your problem.


# 2    4/12/2017 4:09:15 PM   

On the page you sign-on, there is a statement for USHandicap regarding tournaments.

Print out your card and give it to them as proof of the USGA-approved handicap index.

If there is still a problem, contact the USGA and tell them of your problem.


Well, that's the thing.

It's not an issue of verifying my handicap, it's the fact that I'm not part of the USGA/SCGA club therefore I cannot compete.

To sign for the SCGA is around $36, similar to US handicap. It's not the amount that bothers me, but the fact that I'm basically paying double what I have to.

It would be cool to get a partial refund from US handicap, but I believe their policy is refundable on all memberships.


# 3    4/12/2017 6:23:29 PM   
Amazing how they can be allowed to not accept a USGA recognized handicap index.
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ArizonaBlue
Professional Champion
 
# 4    4/12/2017 6:40:53 PM   


On the page you sign-on, there is a statement for USHandicap regarding tournaments.

Print out your card and give it to them as proof of the USGA-approved handicap index.

If there is still a problem, contact the USGA and tell them of your problem.


Well, that's the thing.

It's not an issue of verifying my handicap, it's the fact that I'm not part of the USGA/SCGA club therefore I cannot compete.

To sign for the SCGA is around $36, similar to US handicap. It's not the amount that bothers me, but the fact that I'm basically paying double what I have to.

It would be cool to get a partial refund from US handicap, but I believe their policy is refundable on all memberships.



I think that the USGA might be able to help you by letting them know that you are unable to play in a USGA sanctioned tournament even though you have a USGA issued handicap index. GHIN is just one way to get your handicap index form the USGA. USHandicap is another. Tournament officials need to get their heads out of the sand and it may take the USGA coaxing them to do so.


# 5    4/12/2017 7:15:16 PM   



On the page you sign-on, there is a statement for USHandicap regarding tournaments.

Print out your card and give it to them as proof of the USGA-approved handicap index.

If there is still a problem, contact the USGA and tell them of your problem.


Well, that's the thing.

It's not an issue of verifying my handicap, it's the fact that I'm not part of the USGA/SCGA club therefore I cannot compete.

To sign for the SCGA is around $36, similar to US handicap. It's not the amount that bothers me, but the fact that I'm basically paying double what I have to.

It would be cool to get a partial refund from US handicap, but I believe their policy is refundable on all memberships.



I think that the USGA might be able to help you by letting them know that you are unable to play in a USGA sanctioned tournament even though you have a USGA issued handicap index. GHIN is just one way to get your handicap index form the USGA. USHandicap is another. Tournament officials need to get their heads out of the sand and it may take the USGA coaxing them to do so.


Their head is not in the sand, but it is someplace dark....


OtterMan08
Professional Champion
 
# 6    4/12/2017 8:43:59 PM   


On the page you sign-on, there is a statement for USHandicap regarding tournaments.

Print out your card and give it to them as proof of the USGA-approved handicap index.

If there is still a problem, contact the USGA and tell them of your problem.


Well, that's the thing.

It's not an issue of verifying my handicap, it's the fact that I'm not part of the USGA/SCGA club therefore I cannot compete.

To sign for the SCGA is around $36, similar to US handicap. It's not the amount that bothers me, but the fact that I'm basically paying double what I have to.

It would be cool to get a partial refund from US handicap, but I believe their policy is refundable on all memberships.



Bingo!! There are many here who can't grasp this concept. My GHIN handicap from Philly GAP wouldn't cut it for? a SCGA tournament either. If you're not in their club you can't compete in their tournament. Doesn't have anything to do with the validity of the index.


# 7    4/12/2017 8:57:45 PM   
I explained my situation to US Handicap, and they were understanding of my situation and gracious enough to give me a refund (I had just renewed my membership a week prior).

So I will be joining the dark side of USGA/SCGA after all

But I will still be using US Handicap to keep track of my data. :)


Egor
Professional Champion
 
# 8    4/12/2017 9:01:13 PM   
Ultimately, it's their tournament, their rules you have to play by.

You could pose the question to them - what is different about a GHIN issued USGA Handicap Index than a USHandicap issued Handicap Index?

The answer of course - not much..
They are both sanctioned by the USGA
They both are required to follow all the USGA guidelines and compliance requirements for issuing handicaps.

It's like the difference between getting a concert ticket from X vendor or Y vendor - they are both concert tickets, they both do the same thing, it's just who you are buying the Handicap Index through.

Now.. GHIN is owned by USGA. They don't seem to like competition. They have a conflict of interest in my opinion.


# 9    4/12/2017 9:20:03 PM   

Ultimately, it's their tournament, their rules you have to play by.

You could pose the question to them - what is different about a GHIN issued USGA Handicap Index than a USHandicap issued Handicap Index?

The answer of course - not much..
They are both sanctioned by the USGA
They both are required to follow all the USGA guidelines and compliance requirements for issuing handicaps.

It's like the difference between getting a concert ticket from X vendor or Y vendor - they are both concert tickets, they both do the same thing, it's just who you are buying the Handicap Index through.

Now.. GHIN is owned by USGA. They don't seem to like competition. They have a conflict of interest in my opinion.



Look at the entry form and info for the tournament. If it says USGA rules apply then how can they deny a Handicap from a listed, valid, USGA handicap service?

Your club listed on the USGA website.

http://www.usga.org/HDCPClubLi..


OtterMan08
Professional Champion
 
# 10    4/13/2017 5:10:12 AM   


Ultimately, it's their tournament, their rules you have to play by.

You could pose the question to them - what is different about a GHIN issued USGA Handicap Index than a USHandicap issued Handicap Index?

The answer of course - not much..
They are both sanctioned by the USGA
They both are required to follow all the USGA guidelines and compliance requirements for issuing handicaps.

It's like the difference between getting a concert ticket from X vendor or Y vendor - they are both concert tickets, they both do the same thing, it's just who you are buying the Handicap Index through.

Now.. GHIN is owned by USGA. They don't seem to like competition. They have a conflict of interest in my opinion.



Look at the entry form and info for the tournament. If it says USGA rules apply then how can they deny a Handicap from a listed, valid, USGA handicap service?

Your club listed on the USGA website.

http://www.usga.org/HDCPClubLi..


Actually, look at the entry form and see if it says open to SCGA members only. If it's open to anyone with a valid index you may have a case. If it's members only, not so much. The rules are the same regardless.


Brandon Ward
Amateur
 
# 11    4/14/2017 9:42:21 AM   

Ultimately, it's their tournament, their rules you have to play by.

You could pose the question to them - what is different about a GHIN issued USGA Handicap Index than a USHandicap issued Handicap Index?

The answer of course - not much..
They are both sanctioned by the USGA
They both are required to follow all the USGA guidelines and compliance requirements for issuing handicaps.

It's like the difference between getting a concert ticket from X vendor or Y vendor - they are both concert tickets, they both do the same thing, it's just who you are buying the Handicap Index through.

Now.. GHIN is owned by USGA. They don't seem to like competition. They have a conflict of interest in my opinion.



Brandon Ward
Amateur
 
# 12    4/14/2017 9:43:16 AM   
what is different about a GHIN issued USGA Handicap Index than a USHandicap issued Handicap Index?


The only difference is that GHIN is issued to brick and mortar clubs ONLY.


OtterMan08
Professional Champion
 
# 13    4/14/2017 12:03:14 PM   

what is different about a GHIN issued USGA Handicap Index than a USHandicap issued Handicap Index?


The only difference is that GHIN is issued to brick and mortar clubs ONLY.


That's not true. I played in a Philadelphia league several years ago and was issued a GHIN index through the league. No golf course involved. GHIN can be issued via, Type 1 (bricks and mortar) clun. Type 2 (social) club, or type 3 (internet/unaffiliated) club. Makes no difference.



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