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Darman Weaver
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HELP - fellow golfers - I need your HELP - I am desperate to figure out just what wedges I should be gaming - I have been loyal to Cleveland for years but I'm just not getting consistency out of them anymore.
I am not steep coming in an take a pretty shallow divot these days but used to be a bit deeper - not a piece of carpet, more like a nice 6 inch patch.
I'm getting zero spin - I've read, I've looked, I read again but there's just too much info out there to make a decision so I am looking for your experience and expertise here.
I currently play Cleveland 588 RTX 2.0 CB - first CB wedges I have played - thought they would be more forgiving but...
I play in middle TN and most courses fairways and grenades are pretty tight lies
# 1    8/7/2017 6:12:36 PM   
I have the same wedges and bought them 3 rounds ago brand new on eBay. 3 for $150 and I love them. Maybe the problem is you've worn out the grooves on them? I played my former wedges for almost 5 years, WAY overdue! I can't find the article but wedges will lose their bite considerably after about 75 rounds. It also depends on the ball you're playing as well.

# 2    8/7/2017 6:21:55 PM   
Perhaps the wedges are not the problem. Have you ever tried buying premium grade used golf balls from ?

Don Freeman
Professional Champion
# 3    8/7/2017 7:29:48 PM   
There's a reason Cleveland wedges cost less.........

# 4    8/7/2017 7:34:08 PM   

There's a reason Cleveland wedges cost less.........

Because they don't have Bob Vokey's name on them paying him royalties? Is that why they are all of about $20 less per club? Do tell...

# 5    8/7/2017 7:39:20 PM   
I am a difficult position as well. I was wearing down my custom ground Scratch Wedges which are the best wedges I have ever owned. I switched to Edel and the results just weren't as good. Edel wedges have a rounded sole and for whatever reason I found them very hard to line up.

I just switched back to my Scratch wedges and my good Wedge play returned. Scratch went out of business 2 years ago so I have no idea what I am going to do next.
I think my Scratch wedges are heavier which gives them better feel- I am likely going to have them weighed to make sure. I like the idea of a heavier wedge.

# 6    8/7/2017 9:40:14 PM   
Hey Darman!

A fellow mid-southerner - finally someone I can relate to. I have friends in Murfreesboro and a standing invitation to stay at Grandma & Grandpa Arnt's house any time so if you have time next time I'm out that way, we should get together - it's a US Handicap thing.

I have the Cleveland 588 RTX 2.0 54* and 58* wedges - bought them last year and replaced the stock shafts. I don't suggest that unless you have good reason - I didn't, I just thought it would be cool. It was, but.. let's move on.

I get a very reasonable amount of spin on full, 3/4, and 1/2 shots. My 1/4 shots can also spin if I'm on my game for the day.

I attribute that to a couple of things and my "coach" played 4 holes with me yesterday after we shot his promo video and he confirmed it:

1.) Good ball. I'm currently playing a Callaway Chromesoft X and Chromesoft, but I've played the Bridgestone line of premiums - B330S and B330-RXS will spin a lot more, but I can still get spin out of the non (S) balls. It goes without saying, but Pro V1 and V1X are good spinning balls, but they are high priced and I like the Bridgestone and Callaway offerings better (and you can get them from

2.) New-ish wedges. Even my 3 year old wedges had good spin, but these are ~6 months old I think

3.) Forward shaft lean at impact. I can't see this, but my coach assures me that is what is happening. I got a hop and stop on a 25yd pitch shot with him watching. He liked it.

4.) Abbreviated backswing with a rapid acceleration through impact. I've been intentionally keeping my backswing short with a rapid acceleration. It takes a bit of time to know what distance I get out of 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 swings with each wedge, but it's worth it.

I'm no expert and I may be very wrong on most things, but this is what I think is helping me get plenty of hop and stop or drop and spin back on my shots. I'm playing mini-verde bermuda greens most of the time - they are receptive, but fairly dry this week and VERY fast.

# 7    8/8/2017 8:51:52 AM   
I don't think there are any issues with Cleveland Wedges. For that matter I would also argue that (for the most part) a Wedge is a Wedge. There isn't a ton of tech in your and grooves.

The shaft could play a part. I tend to like Spinner shafts, but many people like having the same shafts that they have in their irons.

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